Tendons
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Nope - he is very down to earth.
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Cool
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Since there are tendons running down your hands nearly to your finger tips on both the anterior/palm side of your hand and the posterior/top side of your hand
If your fingers curl toward your palm(like everyones do when relaxed)
it means the tendons on top/posterior surface are Flexible and the ones on the palm/anterior side are tight ( how often do you have your fingers extended(pulled back) or hyper extended(pulled back far) to have flexibility in those tendons??) Imagine if everyone's fingers just sprung back after curling them. You would then be struggling to curl/flex your fingersBlaze: As for your weak tendons theory , I struggle to swallow it at all.
I tried to find any info on google or yahoo about 'weak tendons" and all they mention are treatments to injury, age and arthritis. Of course disease like arthritis can weaken tendons and after an injury tendons need time to heal, where you could call them 'weak' and…Also age, can make Everything weaker, depending on circumstance.
For a tendon to be injury prone or weak it would be from LACK of movement + exercise that would make the ROM tiny and the fibers tight and ready to tear easier.None of us crackers have made our tendons weak or our fingers curled by cracking.
If anything we have made our tendons flexible w greater ROM and more resistant to a tear or injury.
Think about it.
Then Please bring some rational support to the 'weak tendon' theory.
or stop scaring us with it
so we can all learn together
Real Facts, proof, where did you get it in your head from?
or your unlearning us at the place we came to learn, brother -
Since there are tendons running down your hands nearly to your finger tips on both the anterior/palm side of your hand and the posterior/top side of your hand
If your fingers curl toward your palm(like everyones do when relaxed)
it means the tendons on top/posterior surface are Flexible and the ones on the palm/anterior side are tight ( how often do you have your fingers extended(pulled back) or hyper extended(pulled back far) to have flexibility in those tendons??) Imagine if everyone's fingers just sprung back after curling them. You would then be struggling to curl/flex your fingersBlaze: As for your weak tendons theory , I struggle to swallow it at all.
I tried to find any info on google or yahoo about 'weak tendons" and all they mention are treatments to injury, age and arthritis. Of course disease like arthritis can weaken tendons and after an injury tendons need time to heal, where you could call them 'weak' and…Also age, can make Everything weaker, depending on circumstance.
For a tendon to be injury prone or weak it would be from LACK of movement + exercise that would make the ROM tiny and the fibers tight and ready to tear easier.None of us crackers have made our tendons weak or our fingers curled by cracking.
If anything we have made our tendons flexible w greater ROM and more resistant to a tear or injury.
Think about it.
Then Please bring some rational support to the 'weak tendon' theory.
or stop scaring us with it
so we can all learn together
Real Facts, proof, where did you get it in your head from?
or your unlearning us at the place we came to learn, brotherI got the tendon thing when the person had them cut from someone i know who's uncle cracked for ages. So, i don't understand how that is not fact. Also, GP's i know have said this can happen and that even one of their mums has had their fingers curl in.
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I think I'm gonna do some more research on this, it seems really interesting..
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I agree it's interesting.
I find anatomy fascinating.
And a broad subject w LOTS of info
And thats why were here
to understand the crack factor
which there is NOT a lot of info about
and there is contradicting info also
BUT…
telling us someone you know's Unlce 'something or other' is pretty much 'Hearsay'
It doesn't stand in a court of law as proof
and it is lame at best for a debate
but to twist it into fact is how 'old wives tales' get started
and part of the issue of cracking and weather or not it's Perfectly Normal or horribly bad is 'old wives tales' accepted as fact w no proof.
Like "cracking your knuckles give you arthritis" B.S.Your GP's mom???? How old do you think she was? 70 maybe ? Blaze by that time your fingers curling would just be a Another sign of age, and probably normal. Muscle and bone density and posture drastically change when your that old(old enough to have a son that is a GP). Thats why you need exercise and stretching and still age will take it's toll on you. As I mentioned senior could have 'weak tendons" but they would have weak everything, like bones, muscles, immune system etc.
Blaze:I got the tendon thing when the person had them cut from someone i know who's uncle cracked for ages.
I still don't understand. This sentence makes no sense.
And I honestly would like to know how/where you got the weak tendon theory. I'm not on your case I'm just trying to understand and learn more in the process. and hope you are learning more too. I've have gained a bunch of knowledge since I joined this site. Hope you have 2. -
Well all facts are based on experiments and the reactions visible and not visible on people and so 'Hearsay' isn't really hearsay but more of preliminary knowledge which will one day be summarised.
Doesn't matter in old age either - things in earlier life could be helping and i know another person who has had it.
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as long as were straight on hearsay and fact.
you still have given no facts about "weak tendons'
and for the old age thing your right, I agree
if you stretch and take care of yourself you won't have to worry as much about 'weak tendons' when your older
you could be 70 and healthy and flexible
or like BKS Iyengar who will be 90 this Dec:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eEFlYVff4Q
empirical fact>preliminary knowledge
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The thing is with hearsay is that there is usually truth in it and also, if you pick it up near to the primary source or you have seen the source of the hearsay then that means that their is fact in it.
This meaning that fact and hearsay are much closer and that by the coming around of hearsay - fact is based.
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What do you think that guy would say about your weak tendons theory?
or the coiled springs in the neck theory?
We should be listening to his theories.
millions have.
Thanks Mr Iyengar. :mrgreen: -
No - i am not saying there are coiled springs but it was used as an image. The weakening of a spring, not as strong etc.
Also, he isn't related to this issue as he has no problems. That is just one old guy being very flexible and looking after himself in his life.
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He is also an expert on human anatomy and world renowned teacher who can teach You to have Strong Healthy ligaments , tendons, and muscles. Even when your older.
people accepting hearsay as facts leads to 'old wives tales'
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Not if the people who hear it, hear it from the primary source, and unedit it. Also….
Ok let's set a relative scenario.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheumatoid_arthritis - firstly - although irrelevant to this - the pictures of the hands are horrible.
People suffering from symptons of a previously unheard of disease. People ignore it and say nothing is there. However, more people are affected and there is more hear of it in the medical communtiy. However, as many people have heard of it some people think it isn't true. However, it provokes interest and it is later proven to be a disease.
Because the medical profession received news by hearsay - does this not mean it has its credentials? Should it be discredited?
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I guess there's always stuff waiting to be reserached but as i've said i'm no doctor…
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I understand your point about hearsay.
It can go either way. old wives tale or New Medical breakthrough
you decide. LoL. but don't leave it to the courts. LoL
As for the weak tendons topic, i don't buy it. except disease, injury or age.
your friends uncles story I don't understand.
I don't understand your point " I got the tendon thing when the person had them cut from someone i know who's uncle cracked for ages. So, i don't understand how that is not fact."
I'm just trying to understand what your saying, that quote is hard to interpret. It technically doesn't make any sense. :roll: And I would like to know the story, and learn from it.
Did he have RA? That would explain a lot.The wikipedia page is on RA and DISEASED joints, the cause of which is not understood.
not weak tendons , OR cracking causing a problem. But Disease.My whole point here friend is that we are trying to learn about anatomy and cracking here. We need Real information. Not just what you think.
Try not to be scaring People with your own conclusions:Blaze: "However i do know that the reason why your fingers curl in is because you weaken the tendons so the fingers are pulled taut."
people might try to stop cracking their fingers, afraid of 'weak tendons' if they heard that unfounded statement.
And we wouldn't want that.
and that statement doesn't make to much sense anatomically.
Maybe if you have the Disease Arthritis it could/would. -
Hopefully i don't get it.
Who says it is right though to lead everyone to believe to crack will cause no harm. Not everybody who logs on here, necessarily wants to continue - this is proven (fact) in one of the previous polls.
The guy's uncle had his tendons cut because of his fingers curling in due to his cracking. He had no anaesthetic to enforce his abstinence from cracking.
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did he have RA?
I know not everyone wants to crack.
Thats whats so interesting the different views of the topics.
Many think it's a bad thing but there really is no proof either way?
I appreciate all views expressed here, including yours Blaze.
I hope debate sparks us, toward research and further understanding as a community.
Thanks to JC we can learn more about this senario and it's many facets together.
But we need valid information. Sensible Hearsay, experiences and rhetoric.Either way cracking happens, weather positive, negative or neutral.
This forum lets you decide.
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No lol
I was trying to find a mecial case for my scenario and looked at arthritis and saw those nasty hands.
Well summarised.
Like the second debate we have had
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I enjoy the Jointcracking debates we have
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I enjoy cracking jonts even more