Why / When do joints crack?
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Good post - although I find it hard to not crack my neck as it says :lol:
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That was very similar to a pic i had a link for when i was in a debate with MasterCracker to show that jointcracking is not completely natural.
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yeah i'm sure someone told me before it is natural, but i dont reckon it is, specially looking at that diagram.
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Check out my debate with MasterCracker.
Never really finished but you will see it there.
Obviously it isn't entirely natural.
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Where is the link?
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It is on one of the threads that has been recently commented on
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not 'entirely' natural ?
Countless people crack
Naturally
not just by forcing their joints to crack,like doing movements to crack your neck or knuckles or spine.
But simply cracking throughout the day, walking the stairs, walking the street, driving the car, etc
So riddle me this :If joints crack, Who makes them crack?
You or nature?Or Both?
Do you consider any other bodily functions not "entirely" natural?
I challenge you to name me on thing more natural than joint cracking?P.S. From dictioanry
natural |Λna ch ΙrΙl|
adjective
1 existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind : carrots contain a natural antiseptic that fights bacteria | natural disasters such as earthquakes. -
Would the word healthy be better than the word natural? I'm with you in saying that cracking your joints can feel great and be a healthy, natural thing, but I think sometimes it can be excessive. For myself, I sometimes crack too much or try to force a crack that doesn't really need to happen, and I don't think that's healthy. For some people who may have stretched and cracked to the point that their joints are too loose and floppy, it is certainly an uncomfortable and annoying thing.
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I am just defending the simple fact that 'we Naturally crack'
joints crack, its part of their function
it's not an accidentIf anything I think trying to suppress or stop joints from cracking is 'unnatural'.
and will lead to less flexibility, shorter ROM, and tight muscles and tendons that would be easily injured or stressed.
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i agree mastercracker
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Yeh we naturally do by everyday movement.
By putting extra force onto a joint, we are clearly pushing the boundaries and as the picture shows, getting things that we shudnt.
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this graph is deceiving. Lets choose an action. Say: 'touching your toes', from a standing position. simple enough. (This could also be called spinal flexion or flexion of the spine) :
Let's iamgine 5 people doing this same action:
1 soccer player
2 a couch potato
3 Blaze
4 a senior citizen
5 Master CrackerThey are all standing tall and begin to bend forward w knees LOCKED and straight. Everyone reaches down on the exhale and goes as far as they can. The soccer player is easily touching the floor, the couch potato just past his knees, Blaze won't do it because he's blogging and doesn't want to 'uncoil the springs" of his leg muscles, the senior can barley reach their knees , and MasterCraker's palms are on the floor and his forehead is below his knees and close to his shins.
Each person (except Blaze) has a different active Range Of Motion( ROM) that their body and muscle elasticity allow.
Obviousley the couch potato would strain/sprain if he was pushed to the ROM of the soccer player or me, MC.
Even MC would strain/sprain if an accident or situation caused him to be forced past his own ROM in to sprain.
But the soccer players ROM could be twice the range of the Senior, but there are players on his team w ever greater ROM than him without chance of sprain.EVERYONE'S ROM IS DIFFERENT AND CIRCUMSTANTIAL. (Note: in the info by the graph the writer says:"but because there are 24 moveable segments in the spine, the combined motion of these joints allows us to bend forward and touch our toes (some of us, anyway), look over our shoulders to back the car.."
LoL
"some of us anyway"
implying(accidently) that we all have different ROM for an action to begin withIncreased ROM (without pain) is a sign of a happy healthy and STRONG joint.
ROM can be easily increased through stretching and massage. if all 5 stretchers did that same stretch 5 times that day on their 5th stretch their ROM will have increased. if they did 5 times a day for 5 days a week it would continue to increase.
ROM Decreases when a joint is not active or mobilized , for what ever reason. Like laziness , injury, or disease and then is more susceptible
to strains sprains and injury. If the stretchers stopped stretching 5 times a week there ROM would decrease.Sports/physical activities and accidents are usually responsible for Sprains + Strains NOT JOINT CRACKING.
Ever met someone w a Strain because of Joint cracking?
Wearing a brace because of Cracking?
I'm not saying it couldn't happen?
Or that some one in the world isn't right now?
After a weekend Crack bender Maybe?"I just couldn't stop cracking my neck Doc.I think the springs came uncoiled, and now I can't even hold my head up straight. It's just resting on my shoulder and girls keep laughing at me. You gotta help me Doc."
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I think if you're experienced at cracking yourself you are very unlikely to get hurt. When I first started cracking my back I did slightly hurt myself by pulling the muscles too hard.
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same :?
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I also felt minor aches in my neck and back(spinal twists) before I started stretching daily to strengthen my joints and improve my ROM and by default my cracking.
but
I have also lost ROM in my neck from 'sleeping the wrong way'
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had back pain from sitting in the car for long periods of time
All NormalThe graph above shows a "sprain" zone
there are 3 types of sprains(some say 4) mild moderate and severe
the latter involving swelling even severe swelling and immobilization, w a tear or partial tear of the ligament
ligaments are REALLY STRONG
it usually takes an accident or force of momentum to truly "sprain" a ligamentI don't believe joint cracking could do that.
Any movement pushed past it's ROM could cause a 'mild sprain"
like An ache in the neck from cracking your neck 2 fast or 2 hard using the force of momentum,
But I don't believe you could tear a ligament and Actually sprain your neck, w severe swelling and immobilization, by cracking.yes i love talking about joint cracking:roll:
Don't you